Heathrow Airplanes so Close to Houses. I Could Not Live There.

[Remy]

Not if you paid me.

 

[Remy]

 

[papa tiger]

Wow, thas a carpet ride ! I wonder, self-landing jets. The powerlines, no hanging colors. Good pilots could drop much steeper in altitude.
Years ago Korean pilots from Korea couldn't land the plane when the auto system was shut off in San Fran.
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Chances are the Airport will need to expand soon!

 

[Remy]

Wow, thas a carpet ride ! I wonder, self-landing jets. The powerlines, no hanging colors. Good pilots could drop much steeper in altitude.
Years ago Korean pilots from Korea couldn't land the plane when the auto system was shut off in San Fran.
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Chances are the Airport will need to expand soon!

Was that due to the water from the bay? I know flying into San Francisco or Oakland, the plane is low over the water until they hit the runway.

I've only flown into San Francisco at night x2 so I watched a daytime landing video so I could see what it was like.

 

[hollydolly]

yes I;ve posted pictures of this before. It;s one street in a suburb called Hounslow.... next door to heathrow aiprort..

There's a plane every 45 seconds...it's been like that forever...the noise goes on (97 decibels) between 6am and 11pm...
British Airways paid for all the houses to have Double glazing...

 

[hollydolly]

One of the worst that I've seen personally is this...in Gibralter Spain where the planes have to land in the middle of a busy road which is part of the aiprot runway, and sevral times a day the road has to close with barriers as it would if it was a train...

 

[hollydolly]

Another one is ST Martin, a caribbean Island... where planes fly literally over the heads of people on the beach

 

[hawkdon]

I lived in small rural area of Merced Calif, where I was next
to Castle Air Force base, the landing path was abt 1/8 mile
from my house, they went very very low over me....it was a chore keeping fuel scum off my white pickup truck!!!

 

[oldman]

Here in the U.S., the FAA has rules about flying over homes and other dwellings. Certain areas have what is called “Noise Abatement” procedures. It depends which came first, the airport or the housing development. If the housing develop or the group of homes were there before the airport was built, the airports should make strong efforts to contain the noise. There are standards that planes can use to lower the amount of noise. I remember John Wayne Airport in California was using NA procedures. They use monitoring procedures to track the amount of noise being expelled from incoming and departing aircraft.

When taking off, planes should make every effort to climb to a higher elevation as quickly as possible, so instead of climbing at a slow 4-6 degrees climb out, it may be possible for a plane to climb at a rate of 15+ degrees once they have left the ground and no tail strike has or will occur.

Here in the U.S. planes must clear standing dwellings by a minimum of 500 feet. Shattering windows in homes should not be a pilot’s wish. At nighttime to lower noise, tugs can be used to tow planes out to their runway, instead of planes using their engines to move the plane to their runway.

In the pictures I was looking at, I had to wonder if the planes could have come in from a different direction to avoid flying over top of the homes. Truthfully, that’s just not a good practice. We should all want to be good neighbors and act by using practicality methods.

The picture of Singapore Airlines flying over the home is definitely irresponsible. Unless that picture was shot using AI or photo-shopped, I can’t believe a pilot would fly that tight to the roof of a home. If he would have lowered his landing gear, there would have definitely been some type of collision damage. I never seen anything like this picture.

 

[Remy]

Oh wow @hollydolly I don't remember you posting this. It's really wild. And again, no way would I live there.

I've also never heard of such a think as the Spain video. I can only imagine how much the locals hate the delay. Dallas, Fort Worth Texas, planes taxi over the freeway. I changed planes there once.

 

[hollydolly]

Oh wow @hollydolly I don't remember you posting this. It's really wild. And again, no way would I live there.

I've also never heard of such a think as the Spain video. I can only imagine how much the locals hate the delay. Dallas, Fort Worth Texas, planes taxi over the freeway. I changed planes there once.

yes we do hate the delays waiting for the planes to cross over.. and I'm talking as a shopper or visitor to the area.. but many Spanish cross into British owned Gibralter for work, and you can imagine the frustration ..and the huge queues...several times a day

 

[Murrmurr]

Back in the mid-80s, me and the kids lived not too far from McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas, but the airport and our house were way out in huge stretch of desert. We could see planes coming and going but there wasn't much noise at all.

I just looked at some current pictures of McCarran. It's called Harry Reid International now, and it's surrounded on all sides by thousands of homes and businesses.

@hawkdon - My brother was stationed at Castle for a few years when he was in the Air Force. Him and his wife lived in base housing for a while, but moved into town soon as they could...because of the noise.

 

[Furryanimal]

When I was in Hounslow I couldn’t stop looking up at the sky.
If you live there you are used to it but for me it was Woah!
Don’t be a roofer!

 

[papa tiger]

I hear a lot of noise when the Fighter Jets fly and come back to Scott Airbase, 50 missions a day?
+ the constant Air fuels and Copters coming back to Scott. Maybe 30 miles away but still.
The fighters whistle and howl like Angry's. No real complaint, just every afternoon the same.

 

[George1959]

yes I;ve posted pictures of this before. It;s one street in a suburb called Hounslow.... next door to heathrow aiprort..

There's a plane every 45 seconds...it's been like that forever...the noise goes on (97 decibels) between 6am and 11pm...
British Airways paid for all the houses to have Double glazing...

This is even frightening in my opinion. I couldn't live there also.

 

[hollydolly]

Here in the U.S., the FAA has rules about flying over homes and other dwellings. Certain areas have what is called “Noise Abatement” procedures. It depends which came first, the airport or the housing development. If the housing develop or the group of homes were there before the airport was built, the airports should make strong efforts to contain the noise. There are standards that planes can use to lower the amount of noise. I remember John Wayne Airport in California was using NA procedures. They use monitoring procedures to track the amount of noise being expelled from incoming and departing aircraft.

When taking off, planes should make every effort to climb to a higher elevation as quickly as possible, so instead of climbing at a slow 4-6 degrees climb out, it may be possible for a plane to climb at a rate of 15+ degrees once they have left the ground and no tail strike has or will occur.

Here in the U.S. planes must clear standing dwellings by a minimum of 500 feet. Shattering windows in homes should not be a pilot’s wish. At nighttime to lower noise, tugs can be used to tow planes out to their runway, instead of planes using their engines to move the plane to their runway.

In the pictures I was looking at, I had to wonder if the planes could have come in from a different direction to avoid flying over top of the homes. Truthfully, that’s just not a good practice. We should all want to be good neighbors and act by using practicality methods.

The picture of Singapore Airlines flying over the home is definitely irresponsible. Unless that picture was shot using AI or photo-shopped, I can’t believe a pilot would fly that tight to the roof of a home. If he would have lowered his landing gear, there would have definitely been some type of collision damage. I never seen anything like this picture.

being an Overcrowded Island we just don't have the space here for planes NOT to fly over houses...

 

[StillLearning]

Isn’t there airports that have runways way out in the ocean. I thought I saw one in Hawaii a long time ago. Of course there’s the money involved too.

 

[Capt Lightning]

I wonder what height those planes are at. Photos can be a bit confusing at times and imagine that for safety reasons the planes must allow a certain clearance. Still, I wouldn't like to live there. It was noisy enough when an air ambulance helicopter landed behind my garden.

We used to get RAF jets flying low near the village and one Sunday we were surprised to see a 'Hercules' transport plane fly very low down the line of main street. Actually, it was fairly quiet.

 

[oldman]

being an Overcrowded Island we just don't have the space here for planes NOT to fly over houses...

I have spoken with pilots that flew to London and a few have told me that they have skimmed roofs, just for the hell of it. I hope they were kidding me. I flew in and out of John Wayne Airport in Orange County and when taking off, we clear the tail and then go about 45 degrees up to avoid the noise. The main issue is not to drag the tail.

There are pilots out there that try to break the windows in houses. I don’t know what kicks a person would get out of that.

 

[Tommy]

@oldman, as someone who used to fly a lot, I find this really interesting. Back in the 90s when noise abatement was becoming a big thing, it seemed to me that pilots would take off at a moderate angle, climb to a relatively low altitude, and then throttle back to a (relatively) quiet noise level until they were clear of densely populated areas. (I was flying mostly Delta at that time.) But then again, I could easily have been totally wrong.

The exception, however, is that I DO recall watching the Northwest planes flying out of DTW and those guys seemed to invariably go off at full throttles and point the nose as close to vertical as possible.

I rarely flew Northwest and never out of DTW, but that definitely made an impression.

 

[oldman]

@oldman, as someone who used to fly a lot, I find this really interesting. Back in the 90s when noise abatement was becoming a big thing, it seemed to me that pilots would take off at a moderate angle, climb to a relatively low altitude, and then throttle back to a (relatively) quiet noise level until they were clear of densely populated areas. (I was flying mostly Delta at that time.) But then again, I could easily have been totally wrong.

The exception, however, is that I DO recall watching the Northwest planes flying out of DTW and those guys seemed to invariably go off at full throttles and point the nose as close to vertical as possible.

I rarely flew Northwest and never out of DTW, but that definitely made an impression.

I can’t remember flying in or out of Detroit, but I see they are on my list of “Noise Abatement Procedures.” I liked flying in and out of John Wayne in Orange, CA. Usually, we would be flying the 757, which required a shorter runway compared to its sister plane, the 767. The first time my first officer took off, I reminded him to be sure to clear the tail, which only takes a few seconds. The idea is to climb above 1200 feet before cutting back on the AOA (angle of attack).

After I reached 1200 ft. I could either continue the climb or momentarily level the plane before resuming the climb to my cruising altitude. Being in Orange, there was usually a large amount of traffic, so in most cases, we would step climb to the cruising altitude. We would always remind the passengers of the steep climb on takeoff to prevent our nervous flyers from having a panic attack, which has happened.

Landing was a bit different. Pilots will normally use a very slow rate of decent and less power to cut down on the noise. Some passengers will remark they thought we were never going to land. I would tell them we had to take it slow and easy to keep the noise down. As a pilot, you try to line up with the runway further out to prevent from having to bank the plane and having to accelerate. Once the pilot connects to the Localizer using the ILS, it’s a cinch to land. The plane does 75% of the work.

Hope this helps.