NASA hopes new study helps bring UFO research into the mainstream

Alligatorob said:
Considering life sprang up on Earth, would we not have expected it to start in at least one other location in the last 14 billion years of the universe?
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Basic life is the result of chemical compounds that come together through natural processes. Given a nurturing environment, it just happens. Once the basics are in place, anything can happen. I've heard it said that it only happened once on earth, but we don't know that. I think a safer claim would be that it only needed to happen once.

I also read that all species of life go extinct. And on a cosmic or even geological scale, species arize like internet startups and all end up like Blockbuster video stores. I think one of the reasons we seldom meet intelligent life from space is that it's unlikely that we will exist at the same time, I picture intelligent life in the universe like distant flash bulbs flashing continuously from all corners of the universe. Earth is emitting a brief flash as we speak.
 
Forerunner said:
These things exist. I've seen them. My buddy and I went missing an hour once back in the '70s.
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A friend of mine related a story about missing time when she was about 10 or 11. She was at a parade and left early to head to her grandmother's house. She crossed a field to get there. When she got to her grandmother's house, her mother and grandmother were frantic. Some others were there as were the police. Apparently they had been searching for her. I forgot how many hours had elapsed, but in her mind, she had gone straight to her grandmother's house.
 
I don't think NASA is doing this to cater to public speculations. When pilots see things in the sky that shouldn't be there, there are three possible respones: 1) Blow them off, 2)Get excited and panic, 3)Try to explain them using an investigative scientific process. Whether these things are aliens or paranormal happenings is not the focus. I think they are simply trying to account for the experiences without jumping to conclusions. It's is probably the media which needs to make it sound like a search for Martians or aliens from another galaxy.
 
For those interested, Congress is holding a follow-up meeting today from the one in June on UAPs. This is one link to the live hearings that one can restart from earlier testimony that started this morning. Thus far very interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/13/nx-s1-5189426/ufo-uap-hearing-congress-2024

UFO whistleblowers tell Congress 'we are not alone in the cosmos' (video)
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Elizondo also stated point-blank to Rep. Mace's questioning that the U.S. government has programs to retrieve crashed UAP and reverse-engineer them, but avoided giving any specifics in an unclassified public setting such as the hearing...

Gold added that NASA has a massive archive of data that could possibly contain evidence of UAP, and suggested that artificial intelligence/machine learning algorithms could help sort through the agency's trove of data to help shine light on the UFO phenomenon. In addition, the former NASA associate administrator said the agency should develop specialized instruments that might be able to gather useful data about UAP...

Shellenberger stated that there is a secret program within the U.S. government known as "Immaculate Constellation" whose sole purpose is to collect UFO and UAP reports from military personnel and sensor data and quarantine them away from the rest of the government and military. While he noted that a Pentagon spokesperson has stated no such program exists...

To conclude the meeting, Rep. Mace asked each of the witnesses to define what non-human biologics or non-human intelligence mean to each of them. "I don't think it's a stretch, when you look at the diversity of life on this planet and the size of this universe, to think that there will be more diverse, higher-order, non-human intelligence throughout the universe, and that's probably what's visiting us," Gallaudet said...
 
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Nice report, David777. I've been fascinated by the subject since the '50s when the public's interest was piqued after the Roswell event in '47. That of course spawned a kajillion flying saucer movies in the '50s.

But with NASA in control we'll never learn the truth of known alien visits. I'd much prefer a sanctioned non governmental clearing house for the information. I don't study the subject, but there's no doubt in my mind that there are civilizations in the universe that have visited Earth. The idea that we could even understand the technology that got them here is silly.
 
Do I think we are the only life in the universe? No! Do I think aliens, with a head, arms and legs, are buzzing around earth in 1950s style spaceships, and speak English? No
I would welcome a "scientifically principled", and completely open investigation by NASA. It amazes me that the tin foil hat crowd claims the moon landing was faked, but little green men are real.
 
Given yesterday's Congressional hearings and peaking media interest, the below of another credible person with credentials, points in a logical direction given supposed accidental UFO recovered crashes that I suspect bears on denials and secrecy over decades. Will be interesting on how it plays out with Trump's plans to shake up the Pentagon. As this person has noted herein in the past, I lean towards the Earth likely being a sort of DNA organic zoo of UIE's. More on below link.

Former Israeli space chief says aliens exist, and Trump knows about it

A former Israeli space security chief has sent eyebrows shooting heavenward by saying that earthlings have been in contact with extraterrestrials from a "galactic federation."

"The Unidentified Flying Objects have asked not to publish that they are here, humanity is not ready yet," Haim Eshed, former head of Israel's Defense Ministry's space directorate, told Israel's Yediot Aharonot newspaper. The interview in Hebrew ran on Friday, and gained traction after parts were published in English by the Jerusalem Post on Tuesday.

A respected professor and retired general, Eshed said the aliens were equally curious about humanity and were seeking to understand "the fabric of the universe. "Israel’s former space security chief claims aliens exist, and Trump knows

Eshed said cooperation agreements had been signed between species, including an "underground base in the depths of Mars" where there are American astronauts and alien representatives.

"There is an agreement between the U.S. government and the aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments here," he said.

Eshed added that President Donald Trump was aware of the extraterrestrials' existence and had been "on the verge of revealing" information but was asked not to in order to prevent "mass hysteria."

"They have been waiting until today for humanity to develop and reach a stage where we will understand, in general, what space and spaceships are," Eshed said, referring to the galactic federation.
 
A frequent statement from skeptics that don't understand how the military works, is if any of the secret Pentagon program rumors were true, the truth would have already long ago leaked out.

From January 2024, snippets shed light on why the Pentagon can block even Congressional persons from UFO information:

...In the Senate, Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, a New York Democrat, attempted to get a provision in the National Defense Authorization Act allowing the National Archives to collect information on UAPs and reveal it to the public after a certain period of time – similar to how the government handled information about former President John F. Kennedy’s assassination. But the provision was weakened in the final version of the NDAA.

The National Archives can still collect the information, but there will be no committee to go through the papers and authorize what can and can’t be revealed. “It is really an outrage the House didn’t work with us on adopting our proposal for a review board, which of course by definition here is bipartisan in the Senate,” Schumer said in December. “Now it means that declassification of UAP records will be largely up to the same entities that have blocked and obfuscated their disclosure for decades.”

Burlison said he believes the public has a right to know more about UAPs – or at the very least the representative the public elected to Congress has a right to know. He compared it to the development of the nuclear bomb during World War II, saying some information should be private, but the basic information should be available to the public. “You can go study nuclear physics, you can go study how power plants operate, but at the end of the day if you are interested in making a bomb, that is top secret information and we should hold that information to the highest level of security,” Burlison said.

“But I think the same thing should apply to any of this UAP technology.” In the meantime, he plans to push to get stronger language in next year’s NDAA and to keep pushing for briefings from people with better knowledge of the UAP program.But he was tight lipped as to whether people will soon learn whether aliens exist and have visited Earth. “If you believe that aliens existed, there’s nothing that I’ve seen or heard th...

Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article284183338.html#storylink=cpy
 
fuzzybuddy said:
I believe when people "see' things in sky, it's that they are seeing some kind of phenomena. But to leap to conclude the phenomena are space aliens, without dispensing with every conceivable earthly origin, is wishful thinking. People talk about UFOs as if they were verified alien encounters, when UFO means, we don't what the hell that was. And by definition, a UFO can't be an alien encounter then we 'd know what the hell it was. Yet, say, "UFO" and some see green aliens all over the place. That said, I would welcome a scientific examination to determine the origin of phenomena seen in the sky.
Personally, I believe there is other life in the universe, but the odds, are with such huge distances, they'll never get here; nor we, there.
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I just don't believe that aliens have ever come here. I did read books in the past but remain unconvinced. That's just me though.
 
spectratg said:
"One of the things that we tangentially hope to be part of this study ... is to help to remove some of the stigma associated with it."

NASA hopes it can help move the study of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) off the scientific fringes and into the mainstream. The agency announced today (June 9) that it has commissioned a panel to investigate UAP, a recent rebranding that is pushing out the more familiar term "unidentified flying object" (UFO). The NASA study will begin this fall, take about nine months to complete and cost no more than $100,000, agency officials said during a call with reporters today. The main goal is to assess the state of the UAP data landscape and how it can be improved going forward.

"The study will focus on identifying available data, how to best collect future data and how NASA can use these data to move the scientific understanding of UAPs forward," Thomas Zurbuchen, the associate administrator for science at NASA headquarters in Washington, said during today's call. Or, in other words, "take a field that is relatively data poor and make it into a field that is much more data rich and therefore worthy of scientific investigation and analysis," he added.

Such work is very much in NASA's bailiwick, Zurbuchen said, noting that the agency's many research priorities cover, among other things, the hunt for alien life, investigating mysterious cosmic objects and phenomena and helping to keep American aircraft safe and secure. (The first "A" in NASA stands for "aeronautics," and UAP could represent a threat to planes and other aerial vehicles.) And, like the U.S. Department of Defense, NASA is not afraid to put its name behind the push to demystify UAP. (The DoD has set up multiple UAP-studying task forces in the past few years, stressing that understanding the phenomena is important for national security purposes.)

"In a traditional type of science environment, talking about some of these issues may be considered kind of selling out or talking about things that are not actual science," Zurbuchen said. "I just really vehemently oppose that. I really believe that the quality of science is not only measured by the outputs that come behind it but also the questions we're willing to tackle with science." Indeed, NASA hopes that the newly announced panel, and the work that it does, will help normalize UAP sightings and research, bringing more and better information into scientists' databases.

"One of the things you might have heard in the congressional hearings a few weeks ago was, there is a great deal of stigma associated with UAP among our naval aviators and in the aviation community," Daniel Evans, assistant deputy associate administrator for research at NASA's Science Mission Directorate, said during today's call. Evans is the NASA official responsible for orchestrating the study, which will be led by astrophysicist David Spergel, president of the Simons Foundation in New York City. "One of the things that we tangentially hope to be part of this study, simply by talking about it in the open, is to help to remove some of the stigma associated with it," Evans added. "That will yield, obviously, increased access to data, more reports, more sightings, et cetera. So that's another thing that we're trying to accomplish with it."
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I often wondered why it was always the military or government, who saw something, had proof of it, and refused to reveal it. Yet, in my entire life, and the lives of everyone I have known...no one had ever seen anything that even remotely resembled a UFO, or space alien. This begs the question "are we alone in the universe?"...so far, yes. How can this be??? That's another question, and there is only 1 who can answer that.
 
I'd have to see some real convincing evidence and so far I haven't. All of the "evidence" that I've seen so far has been presented by people that quite frankly I would not buy a used car from.
 
HermitHogan said:
I'm sure other life exists somewhere else in the universe, but to think that they came here, had a look around, and then left without trying to contact any of us seems a bit far fetched.
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You know there is one school of thought that entities capable of space travel are so much farther advanced than us, that they would not even notice us any more than we would notice an ant when going about our business. Our self-proclaimed "intelligence" could be miniscule compared to other beings in the universe, far below any interest to them. We are insignificant.
 
spectratg said:
You know there is one school of thought that entities capable of space travel are so much farther advanced than us, that they would not even notice us any more than we would notice an ant when going about our business. Our self-proclaimed "intelligence" could be miniscule compared to other beings in the universe, far below any interest to them. We are insignificant.
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We surely would seem primitive to them, but they'd see our planes flying around, and autos and ships and other forms of technology, so they'd recognize an advanced society — even if far behind theirs. If we saw indications of a high level of intelligence in ants, we would try to contact some of them. We do try to communicate with monkeys and dolphins and other animals.

In other words, I doubt aliens would come all that way and not try to communicate with us.
 
GMA reported that out of 757 sightings within a year, 21 cannot be explained by the Pentagon. But they are not ready to say that the crafts are from extra terrestrial sources. Here is the GMA video report. Starting at 1:42 the former Pentagon head of the unit investigating UFOs gives interesting answers to questions he was asked at a hearing that took place this past week.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...finds-21-alleged-sighting-explained-115890390
 
HermitHogan said:
We surely would seem primitive to them, but they'd see our planes flying around, and autos and ships and other forms of technology, so they'd recognize an advanced society — even if far behind theirs. If we saw indications of a high level of intelligence in ants, we would try to contact some of them. We do try to communicate with monkeys and dolphins and other animals.

In other words, I doubt aliens would come all that way and not try to communicate with us.
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Unless they would have no motivation to do so; we wouldn't be of any interest to them, being only trivial creatures. Just because we interact with other species on our own planet does not mean that such hypothetical beings would have a similar curiosity about us.
 
It’s possible that there is life on other planets and that we may be under observation but I believe that it’s more likely that the unidentified objects are of earthly origin.

Whatever they are and wherever they are from I think that we should work to identify them and understand the origin.
 
Several hundred thousand years ago humanity faced a crisis and decided to get their act together and leave the planet for someplace safe.

But some cried "Man never set foot on the Moon" and others cried "But, but... the Book" and some just said "Ah ain't a-goin, dagnabbit!"

For decades they tried to convince the recalcitrant mobs, even up to the end when cities were all but emptied out and the infrastructure crumbling. Hundreds of years later when they could no longer feed themselves supplies were dropped before the last ships left.

After the fall, many parts of the Earth were empty. Soon there were just a few bands of ferals left. But by sheer luck they didn't die out!

Much later explorers returned and observed this unexpected turn of events. Later return trips saw the ferals beginning to multiply and organize enough to pillage the remaining relics of civilization. Stuff like breaking up and carrying away the outer facing of the "Egyptian" pyramids and such to build their temples to various Big Jujus made up by their ruling elites.

It proved popular entertainment back on the new homeworlds. So popular that "film crews" and curious scientists made ever more frequent trips. They got a good laugh out of ironic efforts like "The Truman Show" by the feebs they'd left behind.
 
spectratg said:
Unless they would have no motivation to do so; we wouldn't be of any interest to them, being only trivial creatures. Just because we interact with other species on our own planet does not mean that such hypothetical beings would have a similar curiosity about us.
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True. Considering the amount of time it would take to get here and the distance it would have to travel, any craft from another solar system would probably not have any living beings on it and might only be here to collect data... perhaps mapping out the galaxy.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
GMA reported that out of 757 sightings within a year, 21 cannot be explained by the Pentagon. But they are not ready to say that the crafts are from extra terrestrial sources. Here is the GMA video report. Starting at 1:42 the former Pentagon head of the unit investigating UFOs gives interesting answers to questions he was asked at a hearing that took place this past week.
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/...finds-21-alleged-sighting-explained-115890390
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Nice find, Diva! I read the same release. Fascinating stuff!
 
NASA hopes new study helps bring UFO research into the mainstream
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Yea, you know I've always been 'hopeful' that the whole "Extra-Terrestrial" phenomena thing was legit, and don't get me wrong, I do believe that aliens have been to Earth and have had a profound influence. But over 70 years of denials, then "well maybes" plus no tangible evidence just seems to strike my skeptic bone a bit funny.
 


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