Sharing a concern about Ring doorbells..

[hollydolly]

I have 2 ring doorbells, and I know some of you here have them too, and might be interested in this story from our neighburhood app..

Our property was recently broken into, and the burglars used a portable Wi-Fi jamming device to disable our Ring doorbell camera.
This meant the camera was unable to detect any movement or capture footage outside, making it completely ineffective during the break-in.

I’m sharing this to alert you all to the vulnerabilities these devices may have. If you’re relying on a Ring doorbell or similar Wi-Fi-based security devices, it’s worth considering additional security measures, like wired systems or alternative monitoring that doesn’t depend on Wi-Fi alone.

 

[JustDave]

They also have electronic devices for thieves that can capture the coding from those new "no hands" ignition keys. You may keep them in the house, but the thieves can still capture the coding and drive off in your car.

 

[hollydolly]

They also have electronic devices for thieves that can capture the coding from those new "no hands" ignition keys. You may keep them in the house, but the thieves can still capture the coding and drive off in your car.

yes we've known about them being able to by pass the keyless coding on newer cars for quite a long time.. they can do this often even if you store your keys in a Faraday box...

 

[JustDave]

yes we've known about them being able to by pass the keyless coding on newer cars for quite a long time.. they can do this often even if you store your keys in a Faraday box...

Really? I thought a Faraday box would solve the problem. I don't own one, and I've considered buying one, although where I live, I haven't felt the need to lock doors or take dramatic actions. My sister who lives in Chicago can lock up her house so that even the Fire Department couldn't get in. I don't want to live like that, but nowhere is completely safe.

 

[hollydolly]

Really? I thought a Faraday box would solve the problem. I don't own one, and I've considered buying one, although where I live, I haven't felt the need to lock doors or take dramatic actions. My sister who lives in Chicago can lock up her house so that even the Fire Department couldn't get in. I don't want to live like that, but nowhere is completely safe.

Nowhere is safe that's correct. I live in a relatively safe area but even here there's theft, because these people are opportunists ...

The story of the ringbell was on the London Neighbourhood app.. where there's crime happening every second of the day..

As for the farraday boxes.. sadly they worked for awhile, as long as people also stored them away from the front door.. ie in back room... but now even those have been compromised and the thieves can over-ride them easily...

The simplest method to prevent a car being stolen is actually still one of the oldest methods and that's a good strong steering lock.

It won't stop them removing your Cat convertor , but it'll save you losing your car

 

[Michael Z]

They won’t get me cause I don’t have a ring doorbell

 

[StarSong]

They also have electronic devices for thieves that can capture the coding from those new "no hands" ignition keys. You may keep them in the house, but the thieves can still capture the coding and drive off in your car.

I learned about this some time ago and therefore keep my purse in the middle of my house rather than in an area near my car. DH's key for my car remains in one of these boxes unless he's using it. We tested the box's blocking properties when we first got it. Put the fob in the box and put the box up against a car door. Auto unlock didn't happen.

 

[StarSong]

yes we've known about them being able to by pass the keyless coding on newer cars for quite a long time.. they can do this often even if you store your keys in a Faraday box...

As for the farraday boxes.. sadly they worked for awhile, as long as people also stored them away from the front door.. ie in back room... but now even those have been compromised and the thieves can over-ride them easily...

I can't find any stories saying that Faraday boxes are ineffective. Ugh... trying to outwit the bad guys is exhausting!

Can you post a link?

 

[Jules]

Keep a key fob in your fridge.

Even with operating Ring doorbells or security cameras, these jerks now know how to move and keep their heads down so it’s almost impossible to identify them.

 

[HermitHogan]

I have 2 ring doorbells, and I know some of you here have them too, and might be interested in this story from our neighburhood app..

Our property was recently broken into, and the burglars used a portable Wi-Fi jamming device to disable our Ring doorbell camera.
This meant the camera was unable to detect any movement or capture footage outside, making it completely ineffective during the break-in.

I’m sharing this to alert you all to the vulnerabilities these devices may have. If you’re relying on a Ring doorbell or similar Wi-Fi-based security devices, it’s worth considering additional security measures, like wired systems or alternative monitoring that doesn’t depend on Wi-Fi alone.

I considered that when I was looking at surveillance cameras. The cameras I settled on use Wi-Fi, but they record 24 hours a day and store the video on a memory chip as well as in the cloud. I also chose cameras that look like your stereotypical security cameras so there's no denying what they are. It acts as more of a deterrent that way.

 

[hollydolly]

An old one from 2019

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/132209/any---keyless-theft

The head of the AA( your AAA equvilent)...

AA chief reveals his microwave tip to foil tech-savvy car thieves

I can't find any actual cases of theft over-ridng the Faraday bag/box.. but I know I;ve read it in the news somewhere

 

[PeppermintPatty]

We have both wifi plus battery run cameras and a lot of them.

 

[Nathan]

Here is a facet of alarm system use that is widely unanticipated: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24014...Ring doorbell can,them, an expert has claimed.

 

[papa tiger]

Definitely put a switch in your garage door opener so it can't be opened by a hacker. Easy to steal all your stuff thru the garage.
Of course, Long heavy-duty screws to the door jambs make it harder for a big foot to just kick it in. Use only dead bolts with Keys.
Sure deadbolt every room in your home. Why not 2x4 hangers too.

 

[hollydolly]

Here is a facet of alarm system use that is widely unanticipated: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24014032/how-ring-doorbell-attracts-burglars-best-deterrents/#:~:text=HAVING a Ring doorbell can,them, an expert has claimed.

that's not true. They used to say exactly the same about house alarms like these...

... the truth is the majority of burglars just move onto the next house with no alarm....

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I learned about this some time ago and therefore keep my purse in the middle of my house rather than in an area near my car. DH's key for my car remains in one of these boxes unless he's using it. We tested the box's blocking properties when we first got it. Put the fob in the box and put the box up against a car door. Auto unlock didn't happen.

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That’s smart @StarSong.

 

[StarSong]

Most police and reformed burglars say that if someone is dead-set on getting into YOUR house or stealing YOUR car, thwarting them will be extremely difficult. On the other hand, these kinds of targeted crimes are rare.

Most experts say burglaries are largely crimes of opportunity. Thieves look for unoccupied homes with visible weaknesses making for easy, quick entry and exit, without attracting neighborhood attention.

Cameras may not be a complete deterrence, but added to sturdy locks, noisy alarm systems, nosy-ish neighbors who are almost always home, outdoor lighting, etc., they're a lot better than nothing.

Ring type doorbells and cameras are so inexpensive and widely used these days that they don't necessarily signal valuables within.

 

[Nathan]

that's not true. They used to say exactly the same about house alarms like these...

... the truth is the majority of burglars just move onto the next house with no alarm....

Having visible signs of an alarm system says to the world "valuables inside". However, most burglars go for the low hanging fruit, so they may move on to easier pickings. I have installed alarm systems in every house I've lived in, one of which got burglarized. The front door was kicked in, which set off an enormously loud siren. Burglar left. I would gladly install cameras if I could be convinced that they would deter a burglary.

 

[MarkD]

They also have electronic devices for thieves that can capture the coding from those new "no hands" ignition keys. You may keep them in the house, but the thieves can still capture the coding and drive off in your car.

That’s disturbing. Just got such a car this year. So many things it does are novel and discomforting. Not much todo about it now.

 

[Rich]

The simplest method to prevent a car being stolen is actually still one of the oldest methods and that's a good strong steering lock.

It takes a thief just seconds to cut through a steering lock or the steering wheel. Perhaps a bit longer if they're using a hacksaw rather than a cutting wheel. Less yet to steal a car with a tow truck.

 

[hollydolly]

It takes a thief just seconds to cut through a steering lock or the steering wheel. Perhaps a bit longer if they're using a hacksaw rather than a cutting wheel. Less yet to steal a car with a tow truck.

No it doesn't.. that's simply not true....I don't know what make of steering locks you have, but certainly they're not easily cut through in the UK... even the police recommend them

 

[Rich]

A battery powered grinder with a cutting wheel will make light work of those things. The first one looks formidable but it would still fall victim.

 

[StarSong]

A battery powered grinder with a cutting wheel will make light work of those things. The first one looks formidable but it would still fall victim.

CAN they be defeated? Of course. Virtually anything CAN be defeated, including the security at Fort Knox.

All most of us can do is make stealing our cars or burglarizing our homes unattractive to someone cruising for an easy theft. It would take a lot to fully thwart a professional thief who's absolutely committed to stealing a particular car or burglarizing a particular home.

It's sort of like what my father told us the soldiers often said during war: "I'm not so worried about the bullet with my name on it. It's the one that's addressed 'to whom it may concern' that I'm trying to duck."

Adding layers of security helps discourage crimes of opportunity, the "to whom it may concern' crimes, by people looking for a quick, easy score.

 

[Teacher Terry]

Living in a secure building with inside hallways if someone tried to break into my home the neighbors would hear. Luckily I have one of 6 parking spaces that are under the building and can’t be seen from the street. Everyone else has a carport.

 

[-Oy-]

Key code capture things etc. One thing I wonder about is... you wake up in the morning and your car is gone. How do you know how they did it?