Against the vaccine? What about polio?

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Just wondering how the anti-vaxxers (Covid) feel about the polio vaccine. There appears to be a polio epidemic starting among the children in Gaza. The disease was all but wiped out, but apparently the younger children there never received the vaccine, and that vicious disease is trying to get a foothold. They are starting a vaccine program, and have even stopped the war there temporarily, to allow that. They'll be vaccinated against polio, so now we can get the rockets, gunfire, and starvation started again?

But that's another subject. Just talking about the polio vaccine, how do you feel about it? Is it just a scam perpetrated by big pharma, to make big bucks? Or should all parents with a grain of sense get their kids vaccinated?

Should that vaccine be regarded differently than the Covid one? If so, why?
 

It isn't about guessing or projecting bias. People just want to know what's going on before blindly subjecting themselves and others to vaccines and "vaccines" (gene therapies).

As it is, excess deaths related to Covid are still on the rise. Much evidence suggests that the "vaccines" may be implicated, despite the shouting down of any research and papers supporting the possibility.

I'm not sure why a new polio vaccine should be any different. We need independent analysis and open disclosure to the public.
 
Back in my 20’s I had a friend a few years older than I. He had contracted polio as a youth and it plagued him into his adult life. He once commented to me that if he had been born the same year as I was born, he would never have had polio. In the three years between our birthdays the polio vaccine was developed and youngsters like me were vaccinated. By then, it was too late for him.
 

dilettante said:
As it is, excess deaths related to Covid are still on the rise. Much evidence suggests that the "vaccines" may be implicated, despite the shouting down of any research and papers supporting the possibility.
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??? I've never seen any such evidence. Can you supply links from credible sources?

That said, the vaccines are always a version or two behind the latest Covid evolution. As always, we are cautioned that the vaccines won't prevent us from contracting Covid, but reduce the risk of being hospitalized or dying from Covid.
 
Vaccines used to go through like a 10 year trial before being released to the public.
That's no longer the case. So there's much suspicion raised when the public becomes your testing ground.

As far as covid goes, people in America were funding research into passing animal viruses to humans. When it lab leaked, those funding the research panicked and they were so afraid they had leaked something that there would be no immunity to, they quickly had a vaccine rushed out and force fed it to the public.

They went as far as telling medical people to list all deaths as covid. This again caused suspicion.

Then they threatened people's jobs, ruined businesses.

None of this was the case with the polio vaccine back in the day. If anybody is guilty of creating doubt and suspicion about vaccines, it's big pharma and the government.
 
What I remember (without Googling the event sequence) was that a large group of Covid-stricken sea cruise travelers came to North America. Their situation provided the heads-up, and the diagnosis was that they'd been afflicted by a corona virus. And as we know, huge number of people nowadays travel internationally, so the global spread of Covid 19 was alarmingly rapid.

The other day I heard a health commentator on the radio saying that, until this one that got going in 2019, there'd been no pandemic of anything like the scale of the post-WW1 international flu. At first there was either no test for Covid in the hands of physicians, or not enough test sets... yet in my region (and province) the hospitals were filling up with incoming emergency cases with serious pulmonary illness. Plus there were not enough ventilators for these patients in many hospitals.

In the largest hospital in my region, there was also a shortage of beds. Hospital staffs became stressed; I know these things because I was a patient for something totally different during the pandemic, so I had only to look around. And out of curiosity I talked with numerous staff people.

Seems to me that it was natural for pharmaceutical companies to attempt a fast-track with vaccines, and the public expected that of them. Eventually home test kits were developed & produced. (Not that I'm a fan of big pharma. I'm not.) Whether vaccines should have been developed on the basis of different bio-medical principles I'm personally in no position to comment.
 
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All vaccines are not created equal. This is part of the “problem”. Polio vaccines have evolved…and what has happened is you are seeing breakthrough in illness due to a change in the vaccine itself. In america the concept of idea sharing without monetary gain is almost unheard of. Therefore it was up to other countries to develop their own vaccines based on their own current technology.
 
OldFeller said:
Vaccines used to go through like a 10 year trial before being released to the public.
That's no longer the case. So there's much suspicion raised when the public becomes your testing ground.

As far as covid goes, people in America were funding research into passing animal viruses to humans. When it lab leaked, those funding the research panicked and they were so afraid they had leaked something that there would be no immunity to, they quickly had a vaccine rushed out and force fed it to the public.

They went as far as telling medical people to list all deaths as covid. This again caused suspicion.

Then they threatened people's jobs, ruined businesses.

None of this was the case with the polio vaccine back in the day. If anybody is guilty of creating doubt and suspicion about vaccines, it's big pharma and the government.
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A ten year trial is not feasible when dealing with a new virus that is capable of mutating every year.

I remember the day when the first polio vaccine became available. I couldn't wait for the day it became available for my children. As a teacher I supervised the line of teenaged girls waiting their turn to be vaccinated against tetanus and other nasty diseases like polio and HPV (human papilloma virus).

These vaccination programs were never compulsory. Rather, parents were offered the opportunity to have their daughters vaccinated at school at no cost, instead of having to attend their doctor's surgery and pay for the visit and the vaccine. No child was ever vaccinated without a signed form from a parent or guardian.

No-one was forced to accept the Covid vaccines but non vaccinated people did have some restrictions applied to them at the height of the pandemic. That was simply a common sense precaution until sufficient herd immunity could be established in the general community.
 
OldFeller said:
Vaccines used to go through like a 10 year trial before being released to the public.
That's no longer the case. So there's much suspicion raised when the public becomes your testing ground.
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What? This makes no sense.

The polio vaccine was field tested for a year. It worked very well. That was in the 1950’s.

I agree that forcing vaccines on people like some politicians did is wrong on many levels. And, shaming people who don’t get vaccinated Is also wrong.
 
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MaidMarian said:
Have you all heard about the new traditional type of vaccine for Covid that was just release to the public? Novavax… not an MRNA vax
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That's a poor imitation of a magical cure that I formulated as a child, and which I later called ... Notavax.

What I do is get a drinking glass, fill it up with pure water, don't add anything, and then drink it.
I've been drinking this daily since being a child and this magical cure has made me immune to viruses.
I've never been able to even find one, much less to catch or get sick from one. They must be hiding from me.

It also helps that I stay away from drug pushing doctor quacks and their toxic petro-chemical concoctions.
I don't watch the news and that's helpful too. Plus I don't wear a mask and don't put toxic chemicals on my hands.
 
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Whichever path people choose, they should be free to choose it. I lost so much during the pandemic and people WERE threatened with job loss if they refused the vaccine. This happened in my own family. The vaccinated were encouraged to shun and humiliate the unvaccinated. It was tough to survive unvaxxed and I was lucky in that. But I would never want to go through it again and I do hate to see the word unvaxxed making a comeback. It's divisive and we need to be finished with that. :p
 
Covid's mRNA vaccine didn't arise from a standing start with Covid-19. SARS (outbreak circa 2003) and MERS are structurally similar to Covid, and much foundational vaccine work was done on those viruses including going through animal testing, so there was already a 15+ year body of research and testing before Covid appeared.

mRNA vaccines use genetically modified DNA or RNA to produce proteins that trigger an appropriate immune response, rather than using weakened or dead virus strains. In addition, mRNA vaccines were already in use for similar viruses in birds, cats and dogs.

The stated goal of a Covid vaccine was ALWAYS to prevent severe illness, not to prevent it altogether, as is true of some other vaccines like polio and smallpox.

To quote my primary doctor's recent comment about Covid before vaccines were widely available, "Those were very dark days." How quickly we forget what it was to like to lose a loved one or to have a friend lose a loved one via to Covid, just as we forget seeing older children and adults in leg braces because of polio.

My 30-something year old nephew spent a week in the ICU during the summer of 2020, fighting a battle with Covid that he would have lost if it weren't for a particularly dedicated EMT and hospital team. He recovered, but is now an insulin dependent diabetic.
 
OldFeller said:
Vaccines used to go through like a 10 year trial before being released to the public.
That's no longer the case. So there's much suspicion raised when the public becomes your testing ground.

As far as covid goes, people in America were funding research into passing animal viruses to humans. When it lab leaked, those funding the research panicked and they were so afraid they had leaked something that there would be no immunity to, they quickly had a vaccine rushed out and force fed it to the public.

They went as far as telling medical people to list all deaths as covid. This again caused suspicion.

Then they threatened people's jobs, ruined businesses.

None of this was the case with the polio vaccine back in the day. If anybody is guilty of creating doubt and suspicion about vaccines, it's big pharma and the government.
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You say force fed it to the public. I say we were lucky to have it in spite of some uncertainty.
 
Alizerine said:
You say force fed it to the public. I say we were lucky to have it in spite of some uncertainty.
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The question raised in this thread was how is the corona virus vaccination different from the vaccination for polio developed many years ago.

My point is that the people handling the roll out this time were lousy, authoritarian communicators who essentially said we don't care about your concerns, get vaccinated or else.

I found it very disturbing.

It might have helped those refusing vaccination to be better informed by credible sources who offered a more rational approach.

I've never been vaccinated. I got covid once and went through it like any virus I've ever had. Stay home, rest, drink plenty of fluids.
It was less harsh than some flus I've had in my life.

So the argument was made by some medical people (who were censored) that only high risk people should be vaccinated and that based upon the track that all viruses have taken, natural immunities would develop over time. Those doctors argued that the policy makers don't understand the science and are over reaching.
 
OldFeller said:
My point is that the people handling the roll out this time were lousy, authoritarian communicators who essentially said we don't care about your concerns, get vaccinated or else.

I found it very disturbing
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I'm sorry you felt that pressure and hindrance, OldFeller. I think I can understand how you felt. Because I was already retired, and had a work background over three decades as a freelancer (contract work, not as an in-office or work-team employee) I did not personally feel that pressure.

OTOH, I do recognize many employees in Canada did feel themselves to be in a position of expectation or requirement, such as you allude to.

Virologists, pharmaceutical researchers, and vaccine designers are not at all like family doctors, hospital physicians & specialists, or nurses and other front-line people. At the community level, medical people just want a tool — something to work with when an epidemic or pandemic confronts them. As well, a whole lot of employers in various businesses and public services did perceive a need to make a decision about what to do.

Where I'm at is that citizens do have a right to give voice to their opinions, or to march, but protests by the doors of hospitals and harassing staff during the Covid pandemic never made any sense to me.
 
One thing I've noticed about vaccines (along with other things) that seems to be human nature, let even just one expert (who's mistakenly perceived to be questionable) advise just one time about getting vaccinated (or some other medical advice) and a lot of people lose their minds and start yelling about "this is being shoved down our throats." Happened with the Spanish Flu, happened since the beginning of time. Go figure humans, the animal that seems to be the most allergic to good advice.
 

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