Against the vaccine? What about polio?

[MaidMarian]

So, is it a good advice to take the next 6th Covid shot? TY.

I’m getting mine on Friday

 

[Alizerine]

Covid's mRNA vaccine didn't arise from a standing start with Covid-19. SARS (outbreak circa 2003) and MERS are structurally similar to Covid, and much foundational vaccine work was done on those viruses including going through animal testing, so there was already a 15+ year body of research and testing before Covid appeared.

mRNA vaccines use genetically modified DNA or RNA to produce proteins that trigger an appropriate immune response, rather than using weakened or dead virus strains. In addition, mRNA vaccines were already in use for similar viruses in birds, cats and dogs.

The stated goal of a Covid vaccine was ALWAYS to prevent severe illness, not to prevent it altogether, as is true of some other vaccines like polio and smallpox.

To quote my primary doctor's recent comment about Covid before vaccines were widely available, "Those were very dark days." How quickly we forget what it was to like to lose a loved one or to have a friend lose a loved one via to Covid, just as we forget seeing older children and adults in leg braces because of polio.

My 30-something year old nephew spent a week in the ICU during the summer of 2020, fighting a battle with Covid that he would have lost if it weren't for a particularly dedicated EMT and hospital team. He recovered, but is now an insulin dependent diabetic.

I will never forget those days. I am still dealing with the loss of family and friends.

 

[Alizerine]

On the other hand we have runaway hypochondria among much of the population.

Is that in some way similar to runaway paranoia?

 

[Aunt Bea]

I’m pro vaccine but I think that having a portion of the population that remains skeptical may be part of a natural survival instinct.

The idea that if part of the tribe eats the mushrooms or drinks the Kool-Aid and part of the tribe doesn’t the tribe has a better chance of survival if the mushrooms or the Kool-Aid turn out to be bad.

Having said that, there are consequences in today’s world for people who choose not to participate.

“The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.“ - Captain Spock

 

[CallMeKate]

I forgot about the Sugar Cube thing but do remember that.

I wonder why I don't remember this like I do everything else? I would have been starting first grade in the mid 60s. what was it about? An actual sugar cube? For what purpose?

 

[Aunt Bea]

I wonder why I don't remember this like I do everything else? I would have been starting first grade in the mid 60s. what was it about? An actual sugar cube? For what purpose?

A sugar cube treated with a dose of the oral polio vaccine .

“A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down …”

 

[PeppermintPatty]

I never got a polio or small pox vaccine. Health Canada called my parents up and told them that both vaccines have penicillin as a preservative. I’m fatally allergic to penicillin.

 

[Trade]

So, is it a good advice to take the next 6th Covid shot? TY.

I've already had 6. My next one will be number 7. No problems that I know of. I had all the polio vacinations when I was a kid, and got lots of shots when I was in the Air Force, especially before we left for Vietnam. What's the big deal?

 

[officerripley]

I never got a polio or small pox vaccine. Health Canada called my parents up and told them that both vaccines have penicillin as a preservative. I’m fatally allergic to penicillin.

My brother and my dad were both allergic to penicillin.

 

[Paladin1950]

Hell no! Working in healthcare for 28 years, I've had more needles stuck in me than 20 junkies!

 

[JustDave]

In the early 1960's we got vaccinated for Smallpox ( I think) and it left a scar on the arm.

I was born in 1943, and was vaccinated shortly after I was born, so I can't remember getting it, but I had the scar for years. I got the polio vaccine twice, once in sugar cube and once by a shot. I got them in primary school, along with the whole class. I remember kids who had gotten polio. They had to walk with crutches for years.

 

[George1959]

As I was a young child I got the Salk vaccine, later the oral sugar cube.
But I remember a girl at school only two years older who wore leg braces on both legs after polio.

 

[StarSong]

I wonder why I don't remember this like I do everything else? I would have been starting first grade in the mid 60s. what was it about? An actual sugar cube? For what purpose?

The oral polio vaccine was dripped onto a sugar cube and placed in our mouths. It came into widespread use during the mid to late 1950s, so you likely would have gotten it as a toddler either during the rollout or at your doctor's.

The lines at schools and other places for the Sabin vaccine occurred during its rollout. Since polio's devastating effects mostly hit children, there was a nationwide (worldwide?) push to get all children vaccinated, thus the lines at schools and other places. We had to go back for second or third doses, which is probably why people born before the mid-fifties remember this pretty well.

Those born later received the vaccine during regular doctor visits.

I never got a polio or small pox vaccine. Health Canada called my parents up and told them that both vaccines have penicillin as a preservative. I’m fatally allergic to penicillin.

Your situation is a perfect example of why it's important to give polio vaccines to all who CAN take them. Herd immunity, plus it keeps the virus from circulating.

Polio, measles, DPT, and other "childhood illness" viruses are types that don't tend to quickly evolve. Flu and and SARS category viruses do. (Covid is a SARS virus). That's why we don't need to be repeatedly vaccinated for the former group, but do for the latter.

 

[Brookswood]

My point is that the people handling the roll out this time were lousy, authoritarian communicators who essentially said we don't care about your concerns, get vaccinated or else.

I found it very disturbing.

Sadly, this was VERY true in my state and town.

 

[chic]

The wife and I are fully Covid Vaxed and Boosted, and alive and well ~ NO side effects. Here are some useful stats …

“Latest CDC Data: Unvaccinated Adults 97 Times More Likely to Die from COVID-19 Than Boosted Adults”​

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/s...ely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-adults/

“U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated”​

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017...xperts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated

At this point does anyone really still believe covid is a pandemic of the unvaccinated??? It makes me question "experts".

 

[PeppermintPatty]

The oral polio vaccine was dripped onto a sugar cube and placed in our mouths. It came into widespread use during the mid to late 1950s, so you likely would have gotten it as a toddler either during the rollout or at your doctor's.

The lines at schools and other places for the Sabin vaccine occurred during its rollout. Since polio's devastating effects mostly hit children, there was a nationwide (worldwide?) push to get all children vaccinated, thus the lines at schools and other places. We had to go back for second or third doses, which is probably why people born before the mid-fifties remember this pretty well.

Those born later received the vaccine during regular doctor visits.


Your situation is a perfect example of why it's important to give polio vaccines to all who CAN take them. Herd immunity, plus it keeps the virus from circulating.

Polio, measles, DPT, and other "childhood illness" viruses are types that don't tend to quickly evolve. Flu and and SARS category viruses do. (Covid is a SARS virus). That's why we don't need to be repeatedly vaccinated for the former group, but do for the latter.

Well most of that went over my head but thanks for all that info. That explains a lot. I know for absolute certainty that the small pox vaccine definitely had penicillin in it. The pharmacist who gave me my Covid vaccine looked it up before giving me the vaccine. He even looked up what preservative is used in Covid and made sure it wasn’t penicillin

 

[ElCastor]

At this point does anyone really still believe covid is a pandemic of the unvaccinated??? It makes me question "experts".

Count me a believer, but keep in mind that the Covid virus is in a state of constant evolution, thus the need for boosters that deal with the latest variant.

 

[January]

I wonder why I don't remember this like I do everything else? I would have been starting first grade in the mid 60s. what was it about? An actual sugar cube? For what purpose?

Yes they used to give it with actual sugar cubes.
To help disguise the taste because it tasted horrible.

We used to give it and then give a jelly baby chaser, before Australia changed to injectable polio vaccine.

Some countries still use oral polio vaccines though.

 

[Brookswood]

I think the Sabin vaccine was phased out as the injected vaccine became better and safer. I had both as a child.

 

[chic]

On the other hand we have runaway hypochondria among much of the population.

 

[EmptyCup]

Oh, I remember the sugar cubes. They lined us up outside early in the morning for it.

For the shot, we had to line up outside the nurse’s office. I still remember some kids whimpering and crying BEFORE they got the shot. I kept thinking, doesn’t the crying come after?

 

[nan]

Have never had polio vaccine never will, and haven't had smallpox, either only 1 flu shot 30 years ago, will never get covid 19 vaccines two many people dying suddenly, getting cancer, and much more murder and mayhem in the world since covid 19 vaccines.

 

[Remy]

I've mentioned it here numerous times that I had to get the vaccine or I could not work. I can't remember if I had 3 or 4 total shots. There were those first 2. Then 1 or 2 after.

But after the last shot (and I can't remember the exact time line) I started noticing my vision didn't seem right. In my true style, I didn't make an eye appt. right away. Probably not for months. When I finally went in, it was diagnosed that I had a stroke in one eye. Part of my sight is gone in that eye and will not return. Related to the vaccine? I don't know. But I'm not getting another.

I had the usual child vaccines.

 

[Remy]

Have never had polio vaccine never will,

You are likely protected by herd immunity.

But if people stop getting vaccines, that privilege will end.

 

[chic]

I've mentioned it here numerous times that I had to get the vaccine or I could not work. I can't remember if I had 3 or 4 total shots. There were those first 2. Then 1 or 2 after.

But after the last shot (and I can't remember the exact time line) I started noticing my vision didn't seem right. In my true style, I didn't make an eye appt. right away. Probably not for months. When I finally went in, it was diagnosed that I had a stroke in one eye. Part of my sight is gone in that eye and will not return. Related to the vaccine? I don't know. But I'm not getting another.

I had the usual child vaccines.

@Remy, so they made you take the first two shots of the vaxx and then they forced the boosters on you too? That's really rough. SIL had to get vaxxed to keep her job but they left her alone after the two shots and never forced a booster.

I never liked the way covid was handled. Mandates. Forcing people to take a drug that many didn't want or lose income and all that entails. I can't see myself ever taking a covid shot in the future.