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Tom 86 said:
Here we have Drs & nurses leaving the hospitals because they "KNOW' that the vaccine is not good for their bodies. This has been investigated so much here that when a person dies of a heart attack, stroke in old age it's counted as a Conav-19 death.

They have finally come out & said only 1% of the deaths in this state are from Conav-19. & 50% are the vaccinated ones. They didn't want this to get out because they like the scare tactics that the unvaccinated people are the cause of all the deaths. Well, they got caught red-handed & now have to change the way everything is reported to the CDC.
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ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!! If "they" can come out with a vaccine within a year, why can't they come up with a cure for Cancer and other diseases??? Just trying to understand.
 

Ladybj said:
ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!! If "they" can come out with a vaccine within a year, why can't they come up with a cure for Cancer and other diseases??? Just trying to understand.
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A cure for cancer & other diseases won't fix the economy; it would hurt the economy.
A "Miracle" vaccine will - provided enough fear can be generated to make people think it's safe & effective.
 
Ladybj said:
ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!! If "they" can come out with a vaccine within a year, why can't they come up with a cure for Cancer and other diseases??? Just trying to understand.
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There is a huge difference between a virus and a cancer. Polio... small pox... hepatitis... measles... flu... All a virus. The virus can be killed with a vaccine. Laboratory testing with live virus can lead to the correct anti-viral "potion" that works for the specific virus. Cancer is not a virus. Most virus species can be transmitted from person to person via aerosol... and even humans to animals. Cancers are not communicable because they are not a live virus.
We've seen huge strides in cancer research. My mother fought breast cancer for 10 years and passed from it in 1986. Has she been fighting that same cancer today, there is a much better chance she could have survived it. Prostate cancer... not nearly as fatal as it was 10 years ago. A good friend was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer 11 years ago. After going through what then was an experimental treatment, he is cancer free.

Why can't we get orange juice from lettuce leaves? One is a fruit and the other a vegetable. That's not a very good analogy, but the difference between a virus and a cancer is as unique as the difference between fruit and bologna.
 

Patch said:
There is a huge difference between a virus and a cancer. Polio... small pox... hepatitis... measles... flu... All a virus. The virus can be killed with a vaccine. Laboratory testing with live virus can lead to the correct anti-viral "potion" that works for the specific virus. Cancer is not a virus. Most virus species can be transmitted from person to person via aerosol... and even humans to animals. Cancers are not communicable because they are not a live virus.
We've seen huge strides in cancer research. My mother fought breast cancer for 10 years and passed from it in 1986. Has she been fighting that same cancer today, there is a much better chance she could have survived it. Prostate cancer... not nearly as fatal as it was 10 years ago. A good friend was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer 11 years ago. After going through what then was an experimental treatment, he is cancer free.

Why can't we get orange juice from lettuce leaves? One is a fruit and the other a vegetable. That's not a very good analogy, but the difference between a virus and a cancer is as unique as the difference between fruit and bologna.
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I am a think outside the box type of person. I stick by my statement. I also have lost loved ones to Cancer.
 
win231 said:
A cure for cancer & other diseases won't fix the economy; it would hurt the economy.
A "Miracle" vaccine will - provided enough fear can be generated to make people think it's safe & effective.
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The conspiracy theory has been around for decades. "The pharmaceutical industry won't allow the 'cure' for cancer to be released because of all the money they make treating it."

Tell me, what is a "cure" going to do? The lungs are already damaged before lung cancer is diagnosed. Breast cancer... colon cancer... bone cancer... By the time these cancers are diagnosed, the body has been decimated by the mere presence of it.
Vaccines are for virus PREVENTION! Being vaccinated against a virus is a protection either against contracting the virus or, if you do contract it, the illness is much less severe. To do damage to the billions pharmaceutical companies rake in from cancer treatment would not be reduced by a "cure". Patients would still need treated with that "cure" and affected body parts reconstructed or replaced.

To eradicate cancer one would need a preventative like a vaccine is to a virus. Some cancers are caused by carcinogens. Some by UV light. Some by radiation. What can be done by the pharmaceutical industry to shield a human body from so many unrelated causes of cancer? That challenge is what cancer research centers across the globe are struggling with.
 
Patch said:
The conspiracy theory has been around for decades. "The pharmaceutical industry won't allow the 'cure' for cancer to be released because of all the money they make treating it."

Tell me, what is a "cure" going to do? The lungs are already damaged before lung cancer is diagnosed. Breast cancer... colon cancer... bone cancer... By the time these cancers are diagnosed, the body has been decimated by the mere presence of it.
Vaccines are for virus PREVENTION! Being vaccinated against a virus is a protection either against contracting the virus or, if you do contract it, the illness is much less severe. To do damage to the billions pharmaceutical companies rake in from cancer treatment would not be reduced by a "cure". Patients would still need treated with that "cure" and affected body parts reconstructed or replaced.

To eradicate cancer one would need a preventative like a vaccine is to a virus. Some cancers are caused by carcinogens. Some by UV light. Some by radiation. What can be done by the pharmaceutical industry to shield a human body from so many unrelated causes of cancer? That challenge is what cancer research centers across the globe are struggling with.
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I agree with you on that - The pharmaceutical industry won't allow the "cure" to be released because of all the money they make treating it. I heard that sometimes if you do not treat Cancer - you have a better chance of not dying from it. You made some good points!!
 
Patch said:
The conspiracy theory has been around for decades. "The pharmaceutical industry won't allow the 'cure' for cancer to be released because of all the money they make treating it."

Tell me, what is a "cure" going to do? The lungs are already damaged before lung cancer is diagnosed. Breast cancer... colon cancer... bone cancer... By the time these cancers are diagnosed, the body has been decimated by the mere presence of it.
Vaccines are for virus PREVENTION! Being vaccinated against a virus is a protection either against contracting the virus or, if you do contract it, the illness is much less severe. To do damage to the billions pharmaceutical companies rake in from cancer treatment would not be reduced by a "cure". Patients would still need treated with that "cure" and affected body parts reconstructed or replaced.

To eradicate cancer one would need a preventative like a vaccine is to a virus. Some cancers are caused by carcinogens. Some by UV light. Some by radiation. What can be done by the pharmaceutical industry to shield a human body from so many unrelated causes of cancer? That challenge is what cancer research centers across the globe are struggling with.
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Therefore would you say treatment for Cancer is a waste of time and money????
 
Tom 86 said:
No, I was Talking to the Drs & nurses myself. They are the ones telling me all this. Amazing how much FASE info is out there. I go to the source to get my information. Course there are a lot on TV that are not Drs but politicians spreading fear-mongering.

This Pandemic is making drug manufactures extremely rich. Also making the government happy as they can CONTROL people like Nazis did back in WWII
Are you ready for the next phase? That's a death march/ride to Auschwitz.
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What state are you in?

This is certainly different from what the nurses and doctors are saying where I live.
 
I see a time in the near future when Medicare/Medicaid benefits will not be available to the anti-vaxx folks. But go ahead and keep your freedumb.
 
Ladybj said:
ON POINT!!!!!!!!!!! If "they" can come out with a vaccine within a year, why can't they come up with a cure for Cancer and other diseases??? Just trying to understand.
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I can answer that:
Cancer is not a single disease, but a group of diseases. There are more than 100 different types of cancers. Cancers are also caused by different things, so no one strategy can prevent them.
 
win231 said:
You may think you have the right to make others' health decisions for them. You are mistaken.
You have the right to program yourself; not others.
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He's not making other people's decisions. He is urging and offering sound and sensible advice. If only those who selfishly refuse the vaccine were the only ones to get sick or die and be affected....then other Americans wouldn't care so much.

They affect everyone else in this country, they are overflowing the hospitals and affecting the medical staff there and the other patients like Al who are getting delayed care in hospitals. Don't be so paranoid and believe all the disinformation and conspiracies, it's not healthy for you or anyone else, especially when you spread the lies around publicly.

The majority of hospitalized and dead people are those who have/had not been vaccinated!
 
Tom 86 said:
No, I was Talking to the Drs & nurses myself. They are the ones telling me all this. Amazing how much FASE info is out there. I go to the source to get my information. Course there are a lot on TV that are not Drs but politicians spreading fear-mongering.

This Pandemic is making drug manufactures extremely rich. Also making the government happy as they can CONTROL people like Nazis did back in WWII
Are you ready for the next phase? That's a death march/ride to Auschwitz.
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Sorry, Tom, but I do not believe for a second that any legitimate doctor or nurse would tell you such nonsense. I think you hear what you want to hear, and make up the rest.

If you really have made yourself believe that only 1% of the deaths in your state are due to Covid, and 50% of those who died were vaccinated, I'd be very curious to know what state (in fact, what planet) you are living in. No 10-year-old with normal intelligence would believe that.
 
SeaBreeze said:
He's not making other people's decisions. He is urging and offering sound and sensible advice. If only those who selfishly refuse the vaccine were the only ones to get sick or die and be affected....then other Americans wouldn't care so much.

They affect everyone else in this country, they are overflowing the hospitals and affecting the medical staff there and the other patients like Al who are getting delayed care in hospitals. Don't be so paranoid and believe all the disinformation and conspiracies, it's not healthy for you or anyone else, especially when you spread the lies around publicly.

The majority of hospitalized and dead people are those who have/had not been vaccinated!
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^^^ A poster child for a programmed robot.
 
Ladybj said:
Therefore would you say treatment for Cancer is a waste of time and money????
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Of course not! We have one of the leading cancer research centers right in our community. As I said, great strides have been made in the past decade on the treatment of certain cancers. What I took exception to was the premise that if a vaccine would work for COVID... or any virus... why couldn't they, that easily, cure cancer. Apples and oranges.
 
Ladybj said:
Therefore would you say treatment for Cancer is a waste of time and money????
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Also... cancer treatment is, and should be, up to the individual and their oncologist. I have close friends who have undergone treatment and are cancer free. OTOH, just had an acquaintances mother-in-law pass from breast cancer. In May she was diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer and told she had only months to live even with chemo and radiation. Her oncologist said the treatments would give her, maybe, a few more weeks of life. But, the quality of her life would be quite compromised by the treatments and the state of the cancer when diagnosed. She chose to have quality over quantity. I believe every person diagnosed with cancers needs to assess their condition, age, potential treatment adverse effects, family, etc., etc. No one person's situation is going to mirror another's exactly.
 
Patch said:
"... droves..." can be a very subjective term if stated with no actual statistics. Yes, there are nurses leaving the field due to the long hours, verbal and physical threat from patient family members, pressures of working with COVID patients dying daily... needlessly... if they had not paid attention to the anti-vax disinformation. The OP said nothing about these nurses leaving due to the vaccine mandate.

I know of no medical facility that has "reached their goal of nurses". Such a growing field that needs all the personnel they can recruit/train/employ. Probably why the granddaughter works 40+ hours at a nursing home, two half days at a chiropractor's office, while trying to keep up with her coursework towards her RN certification. That's why it is almost criminal a small segment of the population is so enamored with those spreading hate and disinformation they influence even our health care workers to stay home rather than use their training to save lives.
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"droves..." can be a very subjective term if stated with no actual statistics"

"I know of no medical facility that has "reached their goal of nurses".

Regarding those 2 statements, I never said anything about "droves" or that medical facilities had reached their goals. I was replying to another persons comments. I agree about your statements on both of the above.
 
Shero said:
I can answer that:
Cancer is not a single disease, but a group of diseases. There are more than 100 different types of cancers. Cancers are also caused by different things, so no one strategy can prevent them.
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And how many viruses are out there???? I doubt if the vaccines they currently have will be the answer.. I guess that's why the booster shots are coming soon. As I always say, people do what is best for them.
 


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