Against the vaccine? What about polio?

[Tazx]

And your anecdotes still aren't proof. Plus, after the fact, when we're discussing a known quantity and the speaker only speaks in anecdotes, no links to credible sources, then the question is, why should that speaker be believed?

If the speaker you refer to is me, well, I have provided links many times or instructed people where to find it. Vaers, cdc, fda, gov.us nhs uk, etc. or other examples. Dependent on topic. I am not doing the work for you. If you feel its important to you, you do the work, if it is not, just bypass the conversation.

 

[Inept]

... I have provided links many times or instructed people where to find it. Vaers, cdc, fda, gov.us nhs uk, etc. or other examples.

I am not doing the work for you.

If you feel its important to you, you do the work, if it is not, just bypass the conversation.

 

[AnnieA]

.....
I would also point out with regards to anecdotal 'evidence', anybody can say whatever suits their agenda if they don't have to provide proof.

And your anecdotes still aren't proof. Plus, after the fact, when we're discussing a known quantity and the speaker only speaks in anecdotes, no links to credible sources, then the question is, why should that speaker be believed?

So what? Still isn't proof is it? Might only be a coincidental case and the actual research proves something else. And like I said, if you're going to involve yourself in a discussion on something, anything, and all you come with is 'I heard on the internet.....' why should you be believed?

Proof is always preceded by anecdotal evidence. Do you admit that?

You're not going to get anywhere with this one @Inept Spin Doctors comes to mind in more for more than one usage. Some people just "can't be wrong" and will continue to dig that hole by sticking to scripted talking points.

 

[Inept]

You're not going to get anywhere with this one @Inept

You are SO right, Annie.

Spin Doctors comes to mind in more for more than one usage. Some people just "can't be wrong" and will continue to dig that hole by sticking to scripted talking points.

Yes, and that is why I am keeping "this one's" back pressed firmly against the wall.

 

[StarSong]

Proof is always preceded by anecdotal evidence. Do you admit that?

Often but not always.

I believe what @Debrah N. is getting at is that anecdotes in and of themselves are not proof. Anecdotal evidence often stimulates research that ends up proving or disproving a hypothesis, but anecdotes themselves aren't proof.

 

[Inept]

Often but not always.

I believe what @Debrah N. is getting at is that anecdotes in and of themselves are not proof. Anecdotal evidence often stimulates research that ends up proving or disproving a hypothesis, but anecdotes themselves aren't proof.

and ......... ?

 

[Tazx]

You know, I was reading a freedom of information request in the Netherlands earlier this morning.

See below;

The Dutch government now admits Covid was a military operation coordinated by NATO – “it was a military operation that had nothing to do with health care.”

The PHEIC (Public Health Emergency of International Concern) declared by the WHO March 2020 was a military operation that was run in the US by the DOD and DOJ as ‘multi-lateral partners’ of the United Nations. In Europe the ‘multi-lateral partners’ for the PHEIC stratcom were NATO leadership and the national coordinators for security and counter terrorism. Objective: CoVID – certificate of vaxx identity.

Dutch Health Minister Fleur Agema has revealed that the “military operation” was led by NATO and the Netherlands’ National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism (NCTV).

During a speech in the Dutch parliament, Agema acknowledged for parliamentary record that the Dutch pandemic policy is taking place “under the direction of National Coordinator for Security and Counterterrorism (NCTV) and Defense.”
She noted that the government responded to the pandemic by complying with “NATO obligations”.

So...are we gonna keep saying nothing? Are we all going to look the other way? Still think it was real?

It was all lies. Yes people died. For many reasons. Malpractice, murder (remdesivir, intubators with no feeding tube, etc), some with cold and flu, coronavirus (just a version of common cold), Influenza A & B, neglect, and a whole host of others, which now includes more than 14 million registered vaccine injuries and deaths. So something happened.

I know for sure many of this is true. Many military contacts, friends and still serving (incl my brother) confirmed much of it. My brother is vax injured. 40 percent of his old unit was put on tcat and some pcat. Even a death in the unit. These units are field ready. No obesity, pre conditions, diabetes or disorders. These units go the field with 24 hours notice. No excuses.

Other members on other bases, confirm most units are low on manpower, but high on MIR! Too many members injured, unable to complete basic testing, ill for no reason, etc.

I never wanted to discuss any of this, nor do I care to, but it seems people believe everything that comes out of the black box like it was god himself talking to you in person.

FYI...
(TCAT is temporary category and PCAT is permanent category)-it means medical category or restrictions, like reduced hours, reduced duties, no drill, no marching, no pt, and so on. Could be many things. Base doc makes some decisions usually on short term issues, but if condition or injury is more serious, permanent, or severley limiting, especially taking you off the able to deploy list, the head doc in Ottawa makes these decisions.
MIR-base medical services, hospitals etc.

 

[StarSong]

and ......... ?

And... so there's not point in continuing to hammer her over something you know is true.

Anecdotes are themselves not evidence. Their usefulness is limited to stimulating a scientific study to determine what's afoot, if anything.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[Inept]

And... so there's not point in continuing to hammer her ...

I'm not.

 

[StarSong]

Yes, and that is why I am keeping "this one's" back pressed firmly against the wall.

Perhaps I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Inept]

Perhaps I misinterpreted your post.

Yes, perhaps.

 

[George1959]

It's the duty of scientists to ask questions. But even at the start of the Covid plandemic the president of our German Robert Koch Institute (RKI) Lothar H. Wieler (president until 2023) demanded: "You must not ask any questions!"

Our former chancellor Merkel later admitted that the decisions only came from politicians (under leadership of the NATO, i.e. there were only political orders without any medical advice).

Our RKI had to invent fake reasons that should support the political decisions, not the other way round.

You don't believe it? Well, then read the thousands of pages of the German 'RKI files' which give proof.

The government and the Robert Koch Institute didn't want to publish them, but a critical journalist took legal action and they had to be published.

 

[AnnieA]

Sure, I don't doubt that active people who eat properly faired better than people who are inactive, overweight or obese and who eat badly. Same could be said with regards to heart disease, diabetes, etc. And cleaning anything that you touch and where you may touch your face, eyes or mouth later, is going to help in preventing any kind of transmissible disease as well as 'spacing yourself out and away from other people'. And when my husband was going to the gym during covid before our Canadian gyms got shut down, he was making a point, as were most patrons, of choosing machines AWAY FROM OTHER PEOPLE. Covering all points.

I would also point out with regards to anecdotal 'evidence', anybody can say whatever suits their agenda if they don't have to provide proof.

Funny how you've moved from Covid into generalizations about other heath issues though in your post to @Tazx (full of riducule), you were wrong since the discussion is specifically about Covid.

To get back to discussing Covid: Active people faired better against Covid. Research shows that 78% of people who were hospitalized with Covid were overweight or obese. In 30 years of health care, I can't recall stats that high for any other infectious disease. Your ridicule of @Tazx 's gym membership and Covid anecdotal evidence bombed in the face of Harvard's research.

Cleaning is protective against disease transmitted by fomites. Research shows Covid rarely is. Your answer to @Tazx was speculative since the discussion was about Covid. Fomite transmission of Covid has been disproved by research except in rare cases.

Dismissing ancedotal evidence is also often agenda based and that's the way you used it against @Tazx and wound up looking foolish because you haven't kept up with Covid research.

 

[Inept]

Funny how you've moved from Covid into generalizations about other heath issues though in your post to @Tazx (full of riducule), you were wrong since the discussion is specifically about Covid.

To get back to discussing Covid: Active people faired better against Covid. Research shows that 78% of people who were hospitalized with Covid were overweight or obese. In 30 years of health care, I can't recall stats that high for any other infectious disease. Your ridicule of @Tazx 's "anecdotal evidence" bombed in the face of Harvard's research.

Cleaning is protective against disease transmitted by fomites. Research shows Covid rarely is. Your answer to @Tazx was speculative since the discussion was about Covid. Fomite transmission of Covid has been disproved by research except in rare cases.

Dismissing ancedotal evidence is also often agenda based and that's the way you used it against @Tazx and wound up looking foolish because you haven't kept up with Covid research.

Well said, Annie.

 

[John cycling]

Anecdotes are themselves not evidence.

Like all the unproven anecdotes about a virus, that's never been proven to exist.

@AnnieA - The same thing applies to all of them.

 

[Olivia]

Like all the unproven anecdotes about a virus, that's never been proven to exist.

Pass the whip. Obviously l'm not done punishing myself.

 

[AnnieA]

Like all the unproven anecdotes about a virus, that's never been proven to exist.

Are you referring to Covid?

 

[January]

Pass the whip. Obviously l'm not done punishing myself.

yes me too - and many other posters.

it isnt that Tazx and co are convincing anyone else - but there gets a point of not worth engaging.

 

[January]

Funny how you've moved from Covid into generalizations about other heath issues though in your post to @Tazx (full of riducule), you were wrong since the discussion is specifically about Covid.

the discussion was suppossed to be about polio - but long back got hijacked.

 

[Debrah N.]

Funny how you've moved from Covid into generalizations about other heath issues though in your post to @Tazx (full of riducule), you were wrong since the discussion is specifically about Covid.

To get back to discussing Covid: Active people faired better against Covid. Research shows that 78% of people who were hospitalized with Covid were overweight or obese. In 30 years of health care, I can't recall stats that high for any other infectious disease. Your ridicule of @Tazx 's gym membership and Covid anecdotal evidence bombed in the face of Harvard's research.

Cleaning is protective against disease transmitted by fomites. Research shows Covid rarely is. Your answer to @Tazx was speculative since the discussion was about Covid. Fomite transmission of Covid has been disproved by research except in rare cases.

Dismissing ancedotal evidence is also often agenda based and that's the way you used it against @Tazx and wound up looking foolish because you haven't kept up with Covid research.

I didn't move to another issue, just mentioned that what you said can be said about lots of things. And I never said active people who ate right, didn't fare better when it comes to covid. Never. So please stop the spin. What I find amusing is Tazx's insistence that being asymptomatic isn't a thing and that's what justifies his not getting vaccinated. Diseases like typhoid, HIV, C. difficile, influenzas, cholera and covid.
From the link: Asymptomatic carriage isn’t something that happens with all diseases, but it does happen with COVID-19. And it happens quite a bit. Dr. Dumford says it’s one of the reasons the virus proved impossible to contain — and why it transitioned from an isolated outbreak to a global pandemic so quickly. What Is Asymptomatic COVID-19 and Are You Contagious?

So, agenda based? ....that would be you guys because you are swimming against the stream of medical science.

 

[Debrah N.]

Often but not always.

I believe what @Debrah N. is getting at is that anecdotes in and of themselves are not proof. Anecdotal evidence often stimulates research that ends up proving or disproving a hypothesis, but anecdotes themselves aren't proof.

Thank you, that's exactly what I'm getting at.

 

[George1959]

So, agenda based? ....that would be you guys because you are swimming against the stream of medical science.

In Germany is a saying: "Only dead fish are swimming with the stream".

 

[January]

Cute saying.

Meaningless in context of this topic though

 

[AnnieA]

I didn't move to another issue, just mentioned that what you said can be said about lots of things. And I never said active people who ate right, didn't fare better when it comes to covid. Never. So please stop the spin. What I find amusing is Tazx's insistence that being asymptomatic isn't a thing and that's what justifies his not getting vaccinated. Diseases like typhoid, HIV, C. difficile, influenzas, cholera and covid.
From the link: Asymptomatic carriage isn’t something that happens with all diseases, but it does happen with COVID-19. And it happens quite a bit. Dr. Dumford says it’s one of the reasons the virus proved impossible to contain — and why it transitioned from an isolated outbreak to a global pandemic so quickly. What Is Asymptomatic COVID-19 and Are You Contagious?

So, agenda based? ....that would be you guys because you are swimming against the stream of medical science.

So are you answering me or Tazx's asymptomatic post? Tazx and I are two different posters. I know there's asymptomaic Covid but have never posted about it in this thread, that was Tazx ...an entirely different poster and subject so I'm not sure how all this got lumped together unless you've decided to blanket argue entirely unrelated things instead of replying topic appropirate to different posts.

My post from #217 directed at you has been research based and has been exercise and fomite specific (with one aside about obesity), with original research links provided.

As for "you guys" dunno what brush you're painting with in this gobbledgook post. "Swimming against the stream of medical science," is an inappropriate descriptor for my posts directly based on research. Again, review post #217 if you're confused about that. Thirty+ years background in healthcare (MS) and a second MLIS enables me to read and interpret original studies.

Calling my scientific based posts "agenda based" is actually in itself agenda based but projection is common in people who have trouble admitting that they're wrong and boy howdy do you fit that category.

 

[Inept]

..... Calling my scientific based posts "agenda based" is actually in itself agenda based but projection is common in people who have trouble admitting that they're wrong and boy howdy do you fit that category.

I read something very interesting not long ago and I'm going to quote it here, "You're not going to get anywhere with this one. Some people just 'can't be wrong' and will continue to dig that hole by sticking to scripted talking points".