Against the vaccine? What about polio?

I recall hundreds of US citizens panicking a few years ago trying to get a flu vaccination.. I have had covid two times and I didn't die from it. I do not believe COVID 19 was solely responsible for the deaths associated with covid, there were extenuating circumstances that contributed to deaths of so many people.

You mentioned polio in comparison with the covid vaccine. For one thing the polio vaccine did not get constant updates of people hypothetically dying from polio as modern day media portrayed covid. it is likely that covid was nearly eradicated from the population because were immune and prevented further covid outbreaks. However, I disagree with the fear tactics used by government and media pushing people to get vaccinated.

As far as multiple booster shots for preventing new strains of the covid virus I do not plan to follow suit, as I believe it is a waste of my time given the controversy surrounding the vaccine.
 

ElCastor said:
Nan, my wife and I have both received the initial Covid vaccine and every booster since. Nothing that I have read or heard has indicated the slightest evidence of sudden death or cancer afflicting those wise enough to receive the initial Covid vaccine and boosters. On the other hand …

“Latest CDC Data: Unvaccinated Adults 97 Times More Likely to Die from COVID-19 Than Boosted Adults”https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/s...ely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-

If you research the subject, you will not find evidence that a Covid vaccination causes cancer, but rather that those already with cancer and contract Covid run a higher risk of death, therefore those with cancer should talk to their doctor about receiving the Covid vaccine.
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I don't care if I die from covid or just plain orneriness either way I am dead, so what's the big deal?
 
Debrah N. said:
The covid vaccines were predicated on decades of research on other cars-covid virus's. Decades. So yes, they can be compared. And instead of paperwork lying around for weeks or months waiting for approvals, due to the aggressive spread of a new virus, those documents were looked at and received approval asap.
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That’s all well and good, but even the big dogs in the pharmaceutical companies admitted the vaccines don’t prevent the spread nor do they prevent the disease. I was vaccinated and boosted and I still got Covid. Ditto for lots of people. On the other hand, I will NEVER get polio, or diphthera, or shingles. Something else I’ll never get? Another Covid shot.
 
CarolfromTX said:
That’s all well and good, but even the big dogs in the pharmaceutical companies admitted the vaccines don’t prevent the spread nor do they prevent the disease. I was vaccinated and boosted and I still got Covid. Ditto for lots of people. On the other hand, I will NEVER get polio, or diphthera, or shingles. Something else I’ll never get? Another Covid shot.
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That's the way I've felt too. people got vaccinated for small pox, polio diphtheria and never caught those diseases because the vaccines worked but everyone has had covid just about so what does that say?

I've been invited to get a flu shot and a covid booster. I'm passing. I'll be fine.
 
CarolfromTX said:
That’s all well and good, but even the big dogs in the pharmaceutical companies admitted the vaccines don’t prevent the spread nor do they prevent the disease. I was vaccinated and boosted and I still got Covid. Ditto for lots of people. On the other hand, I will NEVER get polio, or diphthera, or shingles. Something else I’ll never get? Another Covid shot.
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yes agreed - Covid vaccines do not prevent spread or disease - they do greatly limit it though and greatly limit impact of disease.

so, me getting a mild dose of Covid despite being vaccinated doesnt mean the vaccine did nothing

Shingles vaccine is the same i n that you can still get shingles when vaccinated - but much reduced in severity so vaccine is still benificial.
 
CarolfromTX said:
That’s all well and good, but even the big dogs in the pharmaceutical companies admitted the vaccines don’t prevent the spread nor do they prevent the disease. I was vaccinated and boosted and I still got Covid. Ditto for lots of people. On the other hand, I will NEVER get polio, or diphthera, or shingles. Something else I’ll never get? Another Covid shot.
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I believe you are making a mistake. In my experience, after being Vax’d I still got a mild case of Covid, basically a head cold and a lot of nose blowing, but nothing remotely needing hospitalization. Those who are vaccinated might still get the disease, but their chances of death are significantly reduced. BTW, vaccination is not the final solution. Covid booster shots are designed to protect against a rapidly evolving disease.
 
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CarolfromTX said:
That’s all well and good, but even the big dogs in the pharmaceutical companies admitted the vaccines don’t prevent the spread nor do they prevent the disease. I was vaccinated and boosted and I still got Covid. Ditto for lots of people. On the other hand, I will NEVER get polio, or diphthera, or shingles. Something else I’ll never get? Another Covid shot.
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But they're also telling us that if you catch covid, it's unlikely to kill you if you are vaccinated against it. Sounds a lot like flu shots doesn't it? Maybe you would have been hospitalized or even died when you had it if you hadn't been vaccinated.Some virus's evolve and change and some don't. I was just reading an article that said that polio, measles and smallpox are stable and don't mutate but the same can't be said of the Cars-covid or influenza virus's. You're comparing apples to oranges. Both fruits but still different. Why do some vaccines (polio, measles) prevent diseases, while others (COVID-19, flu) only reduce their severity?
 
chic said:
That's the way I've felt too. people got vaccinated for small pox, polio diphtheria and never caught those diseases because the vaccines worked but everyone has had covid just about so what does that say?

I've been invited to get a flu shot and a covid booster. I'm passing. I'll be fine.
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Here's an article that addresses your concerns about 'what that says'.....https://news.northeastern.edu/2023/11/02/covid-flu-vaccine-efficacy/
 
Mr. Ed said:
I recall hundreds of US citizens panicking a few years ago trying to get a flu vaccination.. I have had covid two times and I didn't die from it. I do not believe COVID 19 was solely responsible for the deaths associated with covid, there were extenuating circumstances that contributed to deaths of so many people.

You mentioned polio in comparison with the covid vaccine. For one thing the polio vaccine did not get constant updates of people hypothetically dying from polio as modern day media portrayed covid. it is likely that covid was nearly eradicated from the population because were immune and prevented further covid outbreaks. However, I disagree with the fear tactics used by government and media pushing people to get vaccinated.

As far as multiple booster shots for preventing new strains of the covid virus I do not plan to follow suit, as I believe it is a waste of my time given the controversy surrounding the vaccine.
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Do you get annual flu shots? And if so, why?
 
Mr. Ed said:
No I do not, take my chances
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I used to take my chances with the flu, but the last time I got sick with something and twice in the space of a month and a half back in 2017, I was so completely wretched that I changed my mind on that. I'll do whatever it takes to lessen my chances of a repeat of those two 'flu' episodes. And after hearing from our friend who got covid and wound up in the hospital, saying how he felt like his lungs were like wood and he couldn't get a breathe in or out.......yeah, I'm not going through that. So as soon as we in Canada have the new vaccine available, I'm getting both the flu and covid shots.
 
I have been around people that have had covid and never caught it, and our daughters have both been vaccinated, and have had covid , and I didn't give it to them :) I feel my immune system hasn't been compromised,and that is why I haven't caught it.
Our son and his family were not vaccinated either, and never got it.
 
Yes nan there are a few people who seem to have a natural immunity, like there are to many diseases. There may be a genetic thing to this,we don't know.

Problem is you don't know that beforehand of course. I would rather not take my chance on that

And obviously many more people got covid, many of them severely or even fatally,before vaccinations
 
January said:
Yes nan there are a few people who seem to have a natural immunity, like there are to many diseases. There may be a genetic thing to this,we don't know.

Problem is you don't know that beforehand of course. I would rather not take my chance on that

And obviously many more people got covid, many of them severely or even fatally,before vaccinations
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You are correct about the genetics. There are several good peer reviewed studies on this. About twenty percent of the population becomes infected but never shows a symptom. Their body shuts down the virus almost immediately. Not to be confused with immunity - nobody is immune. It attaches to ACE-2 receptors and we all have ‘em. It’s the immune response, specifically interferon. A mutation that regulates the body’s response to infection is why that twenty percent don’t become ill. They would not even know they were infected because it happens quickly. Interesting.
 
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I’m anxious for the new version of the flu shot to be rolled out. Our health system distributes based on need and age. The comedian Bill Burr was back on his podcast after a week’s absence. He still sounded dreadful. He has the latest Influenza A version.

I’m waiting for the newest Covid vaccine too. I won’t get both of them at the same time.
 
chic said:
Didn't the doctors who had direct evidence linking cancer to the covid 19 shots die in an airplane crash last month in south America? I heard that they did but a few survived. I wonder if they will move forward with what they know or not now?
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Nice try , grasping at straws to support your ideas. Show us a link to a credible news story about that "plane crash in South America " or be quiet.
 
The idea that a plane crash ( or any other death) would stop credible research being revealed is rather odd anyway.

Credible research would be done by a team of people and they would document their findings as they go - because obviously anyone could die suddenly of a heart attack or whatever and would not want their work lost.
their research results to that point would not die with them and the research would continue on.
 
Debrah N. said:
Who said to 'list all deaths as covid'?
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Mississippi's health department instructed coroners to list deaths with no other known cause as Covid deaths starting in late 2020. The county coroner told us this while he was in the facility processing the death of a massively obese resident. We were in total lockdown, testing residents and staff weekly and had had no active cases in weeks but he said he was bucking directives (he was very miffed about them) by not recording the resident's death as due to Covid.
 
Debrah N. said:
But they're also telling us that if you catch covid, it's unlikely to kill you if you are vaccinated against it. Sounds a lot like flu shots doesn't it? Maybe you would have been hospitalized or even died when you had it if you hadn't been vaccinated.Some virus's evolve and change and some don't. I was just reading an article that said that polio, measles and smallpox are stable and don't mutate but the same can't be said of the Cars-covid or influenza virus's. You're comparing apples to oranges. Both fruits but still different. Why do some vaccines (polio, measles) prevent diseases, while others (COVID-19, flu) only reduce their severity?
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That article you read was correct. Covid is constantly evolving. The original vaccination becomes less effective and must be reenforced by a booster that is tuned to the most recent variety. Like it or not keeping up with the boosters is a life saving measure.
 
ElCastor said:
That article you read was correct. Covid is constantly evolving. The original vaccination becomes less effective and must be reenforced by a booster that is tuned to the most recent variety. Like it or not keeping up with the boosters is a life saving measure.
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Just like the flu virus's and that's why we just got our boosters for both.
 
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AnnieA said:
Mississippi's health department instructed coroners to list deaths with no other known cause as Covid deaths starting in late 2020. The county coroner told us this while he was in the facility processing the death of a massively obese resident. We were in total lockdown, testing residents and staff weekly and had had no active cases in weeks but he said he was bucking directives (he was very miffed about them) by not recording the resident's death as due to Covid.
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And they did not test to determine the actual cause? Just wrong.
 


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